01/05/2013 at 9:54 AM #250212
Looks like a certainty that they will be playing in league one next season which is just unthinkable considering where they were three years ago.
A lot of blame has deservedly gone to Morgan and co and a lot of people have blamed the Mccarthy sacking for where they are now. Ill defend that sacking and say that I think a lot of people underestimate now how many people wanted mcCarthy to go after the Albion result. What I don’t think anybody can defend if the appointment of Connor which was potentially one of the worst in Prem history.
After the relegation they get on Solbakken which I think was possibly worse than the Connor appointment. Absolutely clueless appointment, achieved nothing and just been relegated with Cologne. Fair enough of Morgan thought he was the man to get them promoted but why sack him in January? Clearly an appointment like that would take time. Another knee-jerk reaction after the Luton defeat.
Saunders seems just as clueless as the rest of them and seems that his connections with Wrexham with Morgan got him the job.
Ill say this and a lot of people will disagree. The Venky’s get a lot of stick and most deservedly but for me Morgan has shown that he is as bad or worse than the Venky’s. You compare the two this season then at least Blackburn splashed money on Jordan Rhodes which has ultimately kept them up. What has Morgan spent?
I won’t miss Wolves myself but I think it’s a shame how quickly they’ve fallen. Foreign owners of clubs get a lot of stick but you just have to look at Wolves to realise that it’s not just foreign owners who are clueless.01/05/2013 at 10:11 AM #250217
Sam,agree with most of that. Solbakkenand connor were to dreadful appointments.The grass is not always greener when you let a manager go.80% of wolves fans wanted Mick gone after the WBA game and i bet most of them wish he was there now.He has done a wonderful job at ipswich.The problem with mick is he is only really a championship manager.He struggles to keep clubs in the pl.I know he did it with Wolves once.
this is a disaster for them.They have some decent players but solbaken was just a dreadful decision and so was Connor.You make some very good points01/05/2013 at 10:19 AM #250219
Agree with your post Sam, some dodgy appointments and I bet most fans would still rather have McCarthy.
However Wolves may have a slim chance.
Peterboro are away to Palace who won’t want to lose their play-off place if they lose and Forest win. Wolves are away but it’s to a Brighton who have nothing to play for. Mind you Forest play Leicester who could also make the play-off’s if they win and Bolton lose to Blackpool.01/05/2013 at 10:52 AM #250229
would like to see Peterborough stay up
palace need to win as well though i think to be sure of a play off place.
huddersfield need a draw againest bransley who need to win.
watford are only apoint behind hull who play a cardfiff team with nowt to play for.
i think it could be wolves and barnsley. Aas ever the championship final day is very exciting01/05/2013 at 11:41 AM #250249
Good point boys and Im talking as if they’ve already gone which they havent but I genuinely can’t see it. Brighton are one of the best sides in the league and I think they will want to finish 4th so they have advantage of second leg at home in the play offs.
Posh are an unpredictable team and are in really good form. Palace in bottom 3 in the form table.01/05/2013 at 2:51 PM #250266
Consistent bad management from the owner and the Board and a whole host of the wrong Managerial appointments have led to where Wolves find themselves now.
Very sad to see a once great club in terminal decline like this, but where there is life there is hope and all is not quite lost just yet.01/05/2013 at 3:18 PM #250268
Oh for a Bill McGarry or a Sammy Cheung now for the Wolves.They have been a joke since sacking McCarthyMorgan won’t take them much further ownership wise,If only a Robert Plant or Bev Bevan type with shed loads could come in and inject some proper money into them then there may be a progression but i doubt that will ever happen,Sad to see a Traditional club in this sad state of affairs.01/05/2013 at 3:47 PM #250270
Sad to see with Wolves.
Thank god Morgan didn’t take control of Liverpool.
Cant believe how he sacked McCarthy and then stiffed up the replacement of him by only wanting a temporary appointment01/05/2013 at 5:00 PM #250287
Taxi, Robert Plant is wealthy and a Wolves fan but his net worth is estimated to be in the region of £80m and I think it would take a bit more than he has readily available to buy Wolves and then sort them out but as part of a consortium of rich like minded Wolves fans it could work.01/05/2013 at 5:04 PM #250290
999,Can’t argue with that mate.01/05/2013 at 10:36 PM #250376
Talk of Wolves decline has been a bit exagerated. Morgan is still sitting on a financially sound club with tens of millions in the bank, The academy is bringing through players and the attitude of the board has been a little strange to say the least. Leigh Griffiths for instance has been making all the headlines for Hibs while the Wolves team has had to do without a striker since a certain dirty Birmingham player ‘tackled’ Seb.
I would think they will come back pretty quickly hopefully with a change of attitude, maybe it is karma, maybe Wolves aren’t meant to be owned by Dodgy eastern europeans or Indian Chicken magnates It is probably all for the best in the long run. Even Morgan will realise that the team has to be successfull before they can be sold on, hopefully by the time we get back to the top flight the super league will have arrived and all the dodgy foreign elements will have pi**ed off to seek their fortune in the european arena. Taking Utd and a the rest of the boredom brigade with them.
Wolves are a great club, not a fallen idol like Pool or a parochial interest like Bham City, not a team you have occasion to be embarrassed about like Chelsea nor yet the focus of foreign passions like Utd Citeh and the Goons… They are like Villa Everton and Sheffield Wednesday, Preston North End and Nottingham Forest, once and future kings of football………
That isn’t changed by a slip up or down a league, some things are for ever. Let’s hope the current premiership isn’t one of them……02/05/2013 at 10:12 AM #250390
Knotter: all clubs are great clubs and have their own history but to say Wolves are different is, well, totally biased and disillusional! When PNE won the 1st top league title in 1889, no one expected that there would only be 22 more winners in 124 years. This was reduced to 5 when Wolves joined the party in ’54 (being the 18th out of the 23 winners in total). The league started to become predictable back in the 60’s (some 30 years before the evil PL was devised) with only 3 new winners since.
So why are Everton and Villa any different to any current PL club? They have adpted to the changes over 124 years and are still in a position to compete at the highest level. Everton beat United in the opening game and Villa came close being 2-0 up.
What you need to ask yourself Knotter is why are Everton and Villa able to do this but Wolves can not? No team have a divine right to play at the top table or win the ultimate prize. It takes planning, good management and, in today’s world, commercial nouse to both get there and stay there. If Wolves are the sound club you portray, then why are they not sitting top rather than sitting bottom?
May be, just may, be these real fans of a real local club bring bad karma on themselves mate.02/05/2013 at 11:01 AM #250397
“Talk of Wolves decline has been a bit exagerated. Morgan is still sitting on a financially sound club with tens of millions in the bank” – Then why haven’t we seen any of it? He’s tried to get away with spending the minimum needed in an attempt to go straight back up. Its been proven to be a naive strategy and he’s clearly underestimated the championship. The blokes at idiot. His remit for a manager after the McCarthy sacking was somebody with Premier League experience. He couldn’t have picked somebody with less.
Again, I’ll compare them to the Venky’s. Steve Kean was always regarded as a “yes man”. Well that’s exactly what Connor was and Saunders now is. Blackburn have made a lot of mistakes but have spent money on Jordan Rhodes which has kept them in the division. Morgan has spent nowhere near enough.
Fans who bring up about how big a club is always use is to hang on to something. That’s fine but it doesn’t make a difference to the situation you’re in.02/05/2013 at 11:51 AM #250409
very sad that Wolves may go down as seems likely – for me they are a Premier Division side – they been around for so long02/05/2013 at 12:18 PM #250413
Blueprince: I agree as they are one of the 12 founding members of the English football league BUT they seriously need to take a look at how they are managing themselves and understand what’s needed to get them back where they believe they should be. The Championship is a ruthless league to get out of and the Premier League is a tough league to stay in without the appropriate investmentand constantly changing manager has been proven not to work medium to longer term.02/05/2013 at 12:54 PM #250415
The reason for Wolves position in the league standings are well documented and it serves no purpose to trawl back over them. Good management organisation etc are useful attributes in any club but so is luck and timing.
History is always the tale told by the winner, but,as any time traveller knows, there are a thousand little histories and, but for a turn of the light a twist of the wrist ,thing could have been different.
Utd are no exception, even tragedies and disasters can play their part, I have no doubt that the Munich crash did a great deal to project Utd across a global audience at a time when global audiences were unheard of, my mother who knew nothing of football apart from the fact that Wolves were the local club soon learn’t the names of the injured and fatalities from that terrible day.
In another stream of time ,that didn’t happen, Alex Ferguson went to Wolves in 82 and accepted their offer, Mark Robbins shot hit the post and came back out, Alex was fired, Dennis Law’s backheel condemned Utd to the 2nd Division just as the changes in football came about and they missed out. Norwich City won the first prem league went on to europe and never looked back.
These are the accidents of history, but there are a few clubs who you bump into wherever you go in history. Sitting having a cup of tea at the outbreak of WW2 or sitting with George Best in his digs watching the first televised european games. They are the clubs that people like SAF say inspired them early in their careers and the clubs that may have given a fledgeling Georgie boy the desire to come and play in England.
The league position of such clubs is immaterial. The fact that they have never been compromised by the modern football world is fortuitous. Though in Wolves case I think there was a definite desire to keep the club in British hands(hardly surprising given the history).
As for the current owner, why should he worry, he has developed land by the Wolves training ground at Compton and is building a housing development, he has parachute payments, a chance to offload a large part of the current playing staff (many of whom probably dont want Div1 Footie) while already having many academy players and fringe players to replace them. In addition Whathouse have just signed a seven figure sponsorship deal declaring themselves happy to be associated with the Iconic Wolves shirt even if they do go down. It’s a win win.
The losers are the fans (at least that section of them without access to a time machine) and the people who will lose their jobs at the club.
As for Knotter, he has seen it all before, or as Shirley might say’It’s just a simple case of history repeating’.
02/05/2013 at 1:07 PM #250420
- This reply was modified 2 years, 5 months ago by Knotter.
you do make me laugh knotter.02/05/2013 at 1:20 PM #250424
Knotter: you are absolutely right about United being lucky and incidence like the Munich air disaster ,whilst wrecking the lives of so many players and their families, did project United into the global view where they have remained ever since. But they have remained there for many other reasons. The football they play, the commercial deals they deliver, the way the club have managed the wage structure. SAF wasn’t allowed to buy big initially. He had to fight against Edwards who was trying to maximise the selling potential of the club. It was only because Knighton was going to buy the club for £20m that SAF was allowed to buy Palister/Ince/Wallace & Irwin in 88/89, a move that probably contributed towards saving his career.
That you say “The fact that they have never been compromised by the modern football world is fortuitous” is laughable. Didn’t Wolves once try to capitalise on their success by playing a mini season as the “Los Angeles Wolves” in the US? And weren’t they the 1st team in England to participate in what is now the CL? If they were still there today, you and other Wolves fans would not have any issues whatsoever and you my friend, wouldn’t be spouting about the good old days
You’re right the fans are always the ones to suffer. Whether it’s watching your team being mis-managed or whether its hikes in ticket pricing that prevents you from watching as many live games as you use too. The one thing we do however have in common. We’ll always support the teams we choose (or were chosen for us) as kids.02/05/2013 at 4:13 PM #250493
“I am pouring money in and we are losing £6.5m this year and you don’t want to see the budget for next year. We have players on big salaries and we are going to lose an absolute fortune.” Steve Morgan February 28th 2013.02/05/2013 at 4:31 PM #250495
Not sure how a club slipping into League 1 is in the view of Knotter one of the giants, and part of a holy trinity of clubs.
Wolves are in a precarious financial position and it isn’t helped or getting any better by recent events. Morgan has repeatedly said what a problem the finances are. It would also worry me if the chairman was selling land from the club to his housebuilding company.
Even knotter’s considerable skills cannot turn ths into a good news story, or nothing to worry about.02/05/2013 at 8:02 PM #250673
I think we can take Morgans pronouncements with a pinch of salt said as they were just after his total lack of investment in the transfer window.
Certainly Wolves were one of the few teams in the top flight to finish in profit last term and all reliable estimates seem to show around a 13 million balance.
This before the sale of players in the next round ,the parachute payments, the sponsorship and gate receipts which will probably still be high by Div2 standards.
The big assumption of course in all this is that Wolves are operating as a ‘stand alone entity’ which I took to be Morgan’s preferred status for the club.
As they are operating in Div 2 (really Div 3) they must surely not require the same standard of player and as such players will be eager to move on, I really dont see the problem.
Of course ‘scouse property developer in a recession ‘ sets all the alarm bells ringing but despite pronouncements to the contary recently, word on the street is that Morgan would like to get Wolves back in the championship and then get shut. A consortium of Indian business people has been mentioned and even Grahaem Souness(who tried to buy the club in a similiar fashion some time ago) has been mentioned as a front man.
I see some of the players going to Mick Mcarthy ,Ward Foley etc, Doyler will go to Celtic I hope (a great move for him) and I’m hoping we give Johnson back to Bham City on a free just to save his wages.
The young lads and a few old pro’s who noone wants will be left to take up the challenge and what a great challenge it is in a way.
So time marches on and Itsa was right about Wolves in America except he failed to mention that they won the American Soccer league and the club name they bore carried on as founder members of the new soccer league that was formed later. Impossibly, almost insanely, influential as a club, you could hardly scratch any dark corner of the footie world without finding a speck of gold (old Gold that is).
The american public in those forgotten sixties summers were treated to one Peter Knowles a genius of a player and surely one of the finest players ever to don the Old Gold.
He packed it in and became a window cleaner, I think because he thought the world would end in 1975, the usefulness of time machines is vastly underated.03/05/2013 at 2:07 AM #250778
Knotter: as insane as it was I will say one thing. Looking back on it all, you re still full of s****!
Best of luck for the future. Cheers!03/05/2013 at 8:31 AM #250780
I totally agree Wayne and that with the fact that so much of this site is dedicated to Liverpool this Liverpoo that, who quite frankly are just also rans and this site needs more of a balance IMO03/05/2013 at 8:55 AM #250781
ye i think your right Ron.Certianly to much stuff about liverpool on here.Not just from liverpools fans but alot from opposing fans aswell.Many liverpool threads are started by opposing fans which is fine by me.The hot topic is always saurez even before his latest incident. The same old stuff is repeated time and time again by the likes of myself.I am actually bored with myself discussing liverpool
im bored with all to be frank and ive exhausted every avenue of football to discuss at this time of the season. I very rarely post on the lfc your say page on teamtalk anymore and i used to enjoy it on there.03/05/2013 at 9:00 AM #250782
Sean I feel very much like you and am losing interest in the actual game as the headlines generally aren’t actually about a particular game in question but certain individuals and it goes on and on and on
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